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		<title>By: Kirsten@Cold Reading</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirsten@Cold Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cold reading has always amazed everyone. And what&#039;s not to be amazed about? Whether or not the person cannot truly read your thoughts as he would read words in a novel, there&#039;s still something unquestionably astonishing about a person who can profile you instantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cold reading has always amazed everyone. And what&#8217;s not to be amazed about? Whether or not the person cannot truly read your thoughts as he would read words in a novel, there&#8217;s still something unquestionably astonishing about a person who can profile you&nbsp;instantly.</p>
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		<title>By: daffyd</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticaloccultism.com/2008/08/29/testing-spirit-guides/comment-page-1/#comment-6653</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 16:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for the dyslexic mess of the prior posting, please feel free to delete it and replace it with this one.

I really liked this blog. Magick or psychisism that doesn’t work pragmatically in the real world is delusion (personal opinion). i do believe in magick and in psychisism so please don’t mistake me for an “unbeliever” I just prefer to keep my shoe laces tied rather than to trip over them because some “guide” says not to worry about it. 

My personal tests include:
Does it claim authority. does it cultivate reliance on it. Does it condemn me for sin or offer me salvation. Doe sit claim 100% accuracy, then it’s delusional or dishonest BS.
Does it challenge my ideas instead of telling me what I want?
does it give me information I don’t already know, and does that information check out as true?
Can it, or the medium teach me quickly, and effectively how to begin receiving information direct, rather than through a medium. then there is a good chance It is correct. 
About names and naming: My own mystical experience (valid for me only, however it may bear on others’ experience) is that when a spirit or text speaks of a magickal or spiritual name, it is NOT talking about a name that can be pronounced. Instead, it seems to be talking about something I would rather call an energy signature: how the interaction between my own energy and the energy of the entity in question interact and combine, and how that feels to me emotionally, and physically in my gut. With careful attention, and a good knowledge of physical and emotional feeling words, one can get fairly complex and specific “emotive energy names. I have in fact, received messages for mediums that to me came with the same energy signature and was in fact a beginning of the message, end of the message kind of thing, but the mediums each gave a different name to the guide. Later testing confirmed data in both messages.
On detail testing
The notion that a spirit would necessarily notice or care that I had scrambled eggs this morning I find ridiculous. Spirits don’t seem to have a body, or eyes, or ears, and so would not experience the world in the same way we do. In fact the wiser and more powerful the guides seem to be, the harder they are to “hear” because their human experience is so far away from their own. However, the notion of Yo were upset about … and I nudged you this way, and you did it, seems a typically effective test. The draw back here is the mental laxity that inclines us to say “close enough”.
Any one interested in testing such phenomenon might benefit from a read of the book entitled: The art of cold reading. It is a textbook for stage magicians. Once one learns to recognize cold reading and differentiate it from messages with real content, 1/2 the battle is won. 
The draw back from this is that many sincere “psychics” I have interacted with have discovered that they are in fact, unconsciously “cold readers” and have been deeply disillusioned and hurt by this discovery. They don’t always then, continue on to learn how to develop genuine and testable psychic ability of whatever accuracy percentage. For me, this seems quite sad.
Thank you for your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for the dyslexic mess of the prior posting, please feel free to delete it and replace it with this&nbsp;one.</p>
<p>I really liked this blog. Magick or psychisism that doesn’t work pragmatically in the real world is delusion (personal opinion). i do believe in magick and in psychisism so please don’t mistake me for an “unbeliever” I just prefer to keep my shoe laces tied rather than to trip over them because some “guide” says not to worry about&nbsp;it. </p>
<p>My personal tests include:<br />
Does it claim authority. does it cultivate reliance on it. Does it condemn me for sin or offer me salvation. Doe sit claim 100% accuracy, then it’s delusional or dishonest BS.<br />
Does it challenge my ideas instead of telling me what I want?<br />
does it give me information I don’t already know, and does that information check out as true?<br />
Can it, or the medium teach me quickly, and effectively how to begin receiving information direct, rather than through a medium. then there is a good chance It is correct.<br />
About names and naming: My own mystical experience (valid for me only, however it may bear on others’ experience) is that when a spirit or text speaks of a magickal or spiritual name, it is NOT talking about a name that can be pronounced. Instead, it seems to be talking about something I would rather call an energy signature: how the interaction between my own energy and the energy of the entity in question interact and combine, and how that feels to me emotionally, and physically in my gut. With careful attention, and a good knowledge of physical and emotional feeling words, one can get fairly complex and specific “emotive energy names. I have in fact, received messages for mediums that to me came with the same energy signature and was in fact a beginning of the message, end of the message kind of thing, but the mediums each gave a different name to the guide. Later testing confirmed data in both messages.<br />
On detail testing<br />
The notion that a spirit would necessarily notice or care that I had scrambled eggs this morning I find ridiculous. Spirits don’t seem to have a body, or eyes, or ears, and so would not experience the world in the same way we do. In fact the wiser and more powerful the guides seem to be, the harder they are to “hear” because their human experience is so far away from their own. However, the notion of Yo were upset about … and I nudged you this way, and you did it, seems a typically effective test. The draw back here is the mental laxity that inclines us to say “close enough”.<br />
Any one interested in testing such phenomenon might benefit from a read of the book entitled: The art of cold reading. It is a textbook for stage magicians. Once one learns to recognize cold reading and differentiate it from messages with real content, 1/2 the battle is won.<br />
The draw back from this is that many sincere “psychics” I have interacted with have discovered that they are in fact, unconsciously “cold readers” and have been deeply disillusioned and hurt by this discovery. They don’t always then, continue on to learn how to develop genuine and testable psychic ability of whatever accuracy percentage. For me, this seems quite sad.<br />
Thank you for your&nbsp;blog.</p>
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		<title>By: daffyd</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticaloccultism.com/2008/08/29/testing-spirit-guides/comment-page-1/#comment-6652</link>
		<dc:creator>daffyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 16:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked this blog.  Magick or psychisism that doens&#039;t work prqagmatically inthe real world is delusion (personal opinion).  i do beleive in magick and in psychisism so please don&#039;t mistake me for an &quot;unbeliever&quot; I just prefer to keep my shoe laces tied rather than to trip over them because some &quot;guide&quot; says not to worry about it. 

My personal tests include:

Does it claim authority. does it cultivate reliance on it. Does it condemn me for sin or offer me salvation. Doe sit claim 100% accuracy, then it&#039;s delusional or dishonest BS.

Does it challlenge my ideas instead of telling me what I want?
does it give me information I don&#039;t already know, and does that infomration check out as true? 
Can it, or the medium teach me quickly, and effectively how to begin receiving infomration direct, rather than through a medium.  then there is a good chance It is correct. 

About names and naming: My own mystical experience (valid for me only, however it may bear on other&#039;s experience) is that when a spirit or text speaks of a magickal or spiritual name, it is NOT talking about a name tha can be pronounced.  Instead, it seems to be talking about something I would rather call an energyu signature, how the interaction between my own energy and the energy of the entity in question interact and combine, and how that feels to me emotinally, and physically in my gut. With careful attention, adn a good knowledge of physical and emotional feeling words, one can get fairly complex and specific &quot;emtoive eneryg names.  I have in fact, received messages for mediums that to me came with the same energy signature and was in fact a beginning of the message, end of the message kind of thing, but the mediums each gave a different name to the guide.  Later testing confirmed data in both messages.

On detail testing
The notion that a spirit would necessarily notice or care that I had scrambled eggs this morning I find ridiculous. Spirits don&#039;t seem to have a body, or eyes, or ears, and so would not experience the world in the same way we do. In fact trhe wiser and more powerful the guides seem to be, the harder they are to &quot;hear&quot; because their human experience is so far away from their own.  However, the notion of Yo were upset about ... and I nudged you this way, and you did it, seems a typically effective test. The draw back here is the metnal laxity that inclies us to say &quot;close enough&quot;.

Any one interested in testing such phenomenon might benfit from a read of the book intiled: The art of cold reading.  It is a textbook for stage magicians.  Once one learns to recognize cold reading and diferentiate it from messages with real content, 1/2 the battle is won.  

The draw back from this is that many sincere &quot;psychics&quot; I have interacted with have discovered that they are in fact, unconsciously &quot;cold readers&quot; and have been deeply disillusioned and huirt by this discovery.  They don&#039;t always then, continue on to learn how to develope genuine and testible psyhcic ability of whatever accuracy percentage.  For me, this seems quite sad.

Thank you for your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked this blog.  Magick or psychisism that doens&#8217;t work prqagmatically inthe real world is delusion (personal opinion).  i do beleive in magick and in psychisism so please don&#8217;t mistake me for an &#8220;unbeliever&#8221; I just prefer to keep my shoe laces tied rather than to trip over them because some &#8220;guide&#8221; says not to worry about&nbsp;it. </p>
<p>My personal tests&nbsp;include:</p>
<p>Does it claim authority. does it cultivate reliance on it. Does it condemn me for sin or offer me salvation. Doe sit claim 100% accuracy, then it&#8217;s delusional or dishonest&nbsp;BS.</p>
<p>Does it challlenge my ideas instead of telling me what I want?<br />
does it give me information I don&#8217;t already know, and does that infomration check out as true?<br />
Can it, or the medium teach me quickly, and effectively how to begin receiving infomration direct, rather than through a medium.  then there is a good chance It is&nbsp;correct. </p>
<p>About names and naming: My own mystical experience (valid for me only, however it may bear on other&#8217;s experience) is that when a spirit or text speaks of a magickal or spiritual name, it is NOT talking about a name tha can be pronounced.  Instead, it seems to be talking about something I would rather call an energyu signature, how the interaction between my own energy and the energy of the entity in question interact and combine, and how that feels to me emotinally, and physically in my gut. With careful attention, adn a good knowledge of physical and emotional feeling words, one can get fairly complex and specific &#8220;emtoive eneryg names.  I have in fact, received messages for mediums that to me came with the same energy signature and was in fact a beginning of the message, end of the message kind of thing, but the mediums each gave a different name to the guide.  Later testing confirmed data in both&nbsp;messages.</p>
<p>On detail testing<br />
The notion that a spirit would necessarily notice or care that I had scrambled eggs this morning I find ridiculous. Spirits don&#8217;t seem to have a body, or eyes, or ears, and so would not experience the world in the same way we do. In fact trhe wiser and more powerful the guides seem to be, the harder they are to &#8220;hear&#8221; because their human experience is so far away from their own.  However, the notion of Yo were upset about &#8230; and I nudged you this way, and you did it, seems a typically effective test. The draw back here is the metnal laxity that inclies us to say &#8220;close&nbsp;enough&#8221;.</p>
<p>Any one interested in testing such phenomenon might benfit from a read of the book intiled: The art of cold reading.  It is a textbook for stage magicians.  Once one learns to recognize cold reading and diferentiate it from messages with real content, 1/2 the battle is&nbsp;won.  </p>
<p>The draw back from this is that many sincere &#8220;psychics&#8221; I have interacted with have discovered that they are in fact, unconsciously &#8220;cold readers&#8221; and have been deeply disillusioned and huirt by this discovery.  They don&#8217;t always then, continue on to learn how to develope genuine and testible psyhcic ability of whatever accuracy percentage.  For me, this seems quite&nbsp;sad.</p>
<p>Thank you for your&nbsp;blog.</p>
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		<title>By: pendens proditor</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticaloccultism.com/2008/08/29/testing-spirit-guides/comment-page-1/#comment-6304</link>
		<dc:creator>pendens proditor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate you spending the time to read.

While I applaud the efforts of you and your colleagues to validate your experiences, I gently remind you that there&#039;s a colossal gap between having the intention and desire to validate an experience and knowing &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt; to go about validating it effectively. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever met anyone who didn&#039;t desire validation -- of course it&#039;s better to have it than not have it -- but the criteria for validation that I&#039;ve seen runs the gamut. For some, a message is validated if it bolsters the beliefs they already hold. For others, it&#039;s validated if it brings them happiness. And for others the errors are more subtle. Validation can be a difficult thing requiring a level of intellectual self-discipline that few of us come by naturally. This is why it takes so much training to become a scientist -- if genuine objectivity were easy we&#039;d all be scientists from birth. We&#039;re stuck with a wide array of cognitive quirks to work around. But exploring what does and doesn&#039;t constitute validation of psychic abilities is the approximate purpose of this blog, so I&#039;ll always have more to say on that.

I agree that we should be careful about being negative, but this is because I argue we should be careful about holding any expectation whatsoever in occult exercises, positive or negative. Both open the door wide for bias and make one vulnerable to suggestion. In occult circles, warnings of excessive negativity are ubiquitous, however I don&#039;t recall hearing any warnings of excessive positivity. I suspect it&#039;s because positivity is what makes an occult exercise in which nothing is actually happening &lt;em&gt;work&lt;/em&gt; -- that is, it produces the illusion or sensation of it working. The eagerness of our brains to generate certain sensations (even in the absence of an actual paranormal stimulus) is just another hurdle in the process of validation. It&#039;s often a good idea not to put the person who benefits emotionally from an experience being genuine in charge of validating that experience, for reasons which I hope are obvious.

John Edward&#039;s statement is a strawman, I think. In the circles he travels in there are stereotypes of skeptics bandied about, usually that they&#039;re closed-minded curmudgeons that are impossible to please, or that they place unreasonable, unsurmountable demands on people making paranormal claims. This is patently untrue. Psychics are not expected to perform perfectly; they&#039;re only expected to perform above chance, or else how would their performance differ from that of a non-psychic? Even the famous curmudgeon James Randi has repeatedly put his million dollar prize on the line for an 80% success rate (often when testing people who claimed 100% success rates). If psychic abilities were confirmed and put into use in all areas of society, I suspect psychics would only need to be as successful as a meteorologist or a financial analyst: imperfect, but still able to get results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate you spending the time to&nbsp;read.</p>
<p>While I applaud the efforts of you and your colleagues to validate your experiences, I gently remind you that there&#8217;s a colossal gap between having the intention and desire to validate an experience and knowing <em>how</em> to go about validating it effectively. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever met anyone who didn&#8217;t desire validation&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;of course it&#8217;s better to have it than not have it&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;but the criteria for validation that I&#8217;ve seen runs the gamut. For some, a message is validated if it bolsters the beliefs they already hold. For others, it&#8217;s validated if it brings them happiness. And for others the errors are more subtle. Validation can be a difficult thing requiring a level of intellectual self-discipline that few of us come by naturally. This is why it takes so much training to become a scientist&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;if genuine objectivity were easy we&#8217;d all be scientists from birth. We&#8217;re stuck with a wide array of cognitive quirks to work around. But exploring what does and doesn&#8217;t constitute validation of psychic abilities is the approximate purpose of this blog, so I&#8217;ll always have more to say on&nbsp;that.</p>
<p>I agree that we should be careful about being negative, but this is because I argue we should be careful about holding any expectation whatsoever in occult exercises, positive or negative. Both open the door wide for bias and make one vulnerable to suggestion. In occult circles, warnings of excessive negativity are ubiquitous, however I don&#8217;t recall hearing any warnings of excessive positivity. I suspect it&#8217;s because positivity is what makes an occult exercise in which nothing is actually happening <em>work</em>&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;that is, it produces the illusion or sensation of it working. The eagerness of our brains to generate certain sensations (even in the absence of an actual paranormal stimulus) is just another hurdle in the process of validation. It&#8217;s often a good idea not to put the person who benefits emotionally from an experience being genuine in charge of validating that experience, for reasons which I hope are&nbsp;obvious.</p>
<p>John Edward&#8217;s statement is a strawman, I think. In the circles he travels in there are stereotypes of skeptics bandied about, usually that they&#8217;re closed-minded curmudgeons that are impossible to please, or that they place unreasonable, unsurmountable demands on people making paranormal claims. This is patently untrue. Psychics are not expected to perform perfectly; they&#8217;re only expected to perform above chance, or else how would their performance differ from that of a non-psychic? Even the famous curmudgeon James Randi has repeatedly put his million dollar prize on the line for an 80% success rate (often when testing people who claimed 100% success rates). If psychic abilities were confirmed and put into use in all areas of society, I suspect psychics would only need to be as successful as a meteorologist or a financial analyst: imperfect, but still able to get&nbsp;results.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say as a medium I really enjoyed your blog, it was well written and to the point. While I always encourage validation as does the circle I sit with, make sure that with your skepticism that you do not bring negativity. Keep the two very separate or you will run the high risk of blocking messages all together. I personally get messages from spirit guides often, but almost never get names. I only know the names of two of mine, and I am pretty sure that I was given them only to stop my questions. They are not so big with names on that side so I would be skeptical of people giving you those names in the first place. I have recently run across a person who on the first time they sat in a circle with me I got nothing that connected with them. When we sat one on one, I was spot on. Remember that we are human even if the guides are no longer. We run the risk of misreading the information, of having a bad day ourselves, or of the person sitting before us carrying such negativity that we barely get anything. John Edward said it very aptly in his book that if a basketball player only gets the shot 17% of the time he is a superstar, but if a medium is not 100% they are considered a failure.  This is not to say that there are not plenty of frauds, because there are, but rather that you have to allow for human failure. I wish I could say that every time I hit it out of the park, but there are days when I get a spirit in that has nothing to do with the people sitting for me. There are times when I mis-read a message sent, like thinking that Oscar the grouch had to do with being an environmentalist/ or opposite. No, the message was quite literally Oscar the grouch. Think about how often we misread the signs of living people, now multiply that, add in the occasional different language, and cultural barriers then you have a better picture. I hope you are able to find the validation you need and always keep your sense of inquisitiveness! Best of Luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say as a medium I really enjoyed your blog, it was well written and to the point. While I always encourage validation as does the circle I sit with, make sure that with your skepticism that you do not bring negativity. Keep the two very separate or you will run the high risk of blocking messages all together. I personally get messages from spirit guides often, but almost never get names. I only know the names of two of mine, and I am pretty sure that I was given them only to stop my questions. They are not so big with names on that side so I would be skeptical of people giving you those names in the first place. I have recently run across a person who on the first time they sat in a circle with me I got nothing that connected with them. When we sat one on one, I was spot on. Remember that we are human even if the guides are no longer. We run the risk of misreading the information, of having a bad day ourselves, or of the person sitting before us carrying such negativity that we barely get anything. John Edward said it very aptly in his book that if a basketball player only gets the shot 17% of the time he is a superstar, but if a medium is not 100% they are considered a failure.  This is not to say that there are not plenty of frauds, because there are, but rather that you have to allow for human failure. I wish I could say that every time I hit it out of the park, but there are days when I get a spirit in that has nothing to do with the people sitting for me. There are times when I mis-read a message sent, like thinking that Oscar the grouch had to do with being an environmentalist/ or opposite. No, the message was quite literally Oscar the grouch. Think about how often we misread the signs of living people, now multiply that, add in the occasional different language, and cultural barriers then you have a better picture. I hope you are able to find the validation you need and always keep your sense of inquisitiveness! Best of&nbsp;Luck.</p>
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